«ÐoлSlick [Moderator]
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| 10 Feb 2010 04:11 PM |
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So i've just ordered 3 new components off of NCIX.com (the canadian newegg) and i wanna see what you noobs think of em. are I leetsauce? or am i noobfodder?
Processor: Intel i5 750 "Lynnfield" LGA 1156 socket quadcore, no Hyper threading.

So i'm thinking that this is the right way instead of the i7 LGA 1366 path, cause after doing alot of reading i've found out that the i5's are actually alot more advanced than the i7.
CONS: no upgrade path, no gulftown hex core (LGA 1366 only), and only 16x total lanes for the PCI-E controller. if you only run one graphic card, it's perfect, but SLI or Crossfire will reduce each card to 8x lanes. (or 16x on one, and an additional 4x handled by the mobo chipset on the bottom one, super laggy)
PROS: the PCI-E bus is now handled by the CPU, so now that's all internal alongside the RAM controller, making that actually faster than the original i7 models. all the motherboard has to handle nowadays is glorified southbridge functions, like hard and optical drives, usb, ethernet, etc. Also Intel has gotten alot more bullish with their "Turbo Mode" since their first attempt with the first-gen Nehalems, these new Lynnfields can auto-OC themselves about double what the old ones could. but all of that might get disabled if i do my own OC, haven't decided yet.
Motherboard: ASUS P7P55D

i went for the $140 vanilla version, not the lite version, but not the pro either. great tradeoff, and GREAT 12+2 phase power, which should make overclocking very stable and amazing. the better versions of this board come with internal power/reset swirches, and a buzzer, i don't think that i'm missing much.
Also, the heatsinks overtop of the dope ass 12+2 phase power (around the cpu socket) look like superman's fortress of solitude. oh, and it actually had one IDE thingy, which is pretty much legacy nowadays, but great for my old ass optical and HDD.
can't wait to try overclocking this bitch, people say that it's the easiest OC they've ever done, getting 3.8ghz without breaking a sweat, i had one of the old Q6600 GO's but it was bunk, and didn't hold an OC over 2.7.
RAM: Patriot Sector 5 PGV34G1600ELK 4GB DDR3 2X2GB DDR3-1600 CL 9-9-9-24
So i got OCZ with my last build and wasn't that impressed, so i'll take a gamble on some patriots. Even though the lynnfields are officially rated at only 1333, i got em some 1600, so that i can have some headroom in either push up the bandwidth, or tightening up the timings. anyone ever used Patriot before?
So yeah i got all of this for under $500 and that's $500 crappy canadian dollars. you amuricans could probably do alot better. should arrive on friday, and hopefully i don't have to do a whole OS re-install (planning on doing it for BC2 release) just to get it up and running, shouldn't be a problem.
LOTS OF WORDS! oh well, comment if you'd like, i wanna know if anyone out there has a better idea of what the ideal system to build right now on a budget would be. Especially cause i've already ordered my shit and there's no going back. But i think that there are a few guys who might be looking at an upgrade themselves, so we should pool knowledge and figure out what's teh best planz. the only one i'm skeptical about is my RAM, but we'll see, doesn't have to look flashy. |
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«ÐoлTurismon [Administrator]
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| 10 Feb 2010 04:17 PM |
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not a bad rig, if i was going new cpu i would go i5 750 all the way. but, i just built a rig less than a year ago or maybe it's been a year, that was pretty decent so I'm seeing that this game is heavy cpu and takes quad core alot better than dual core. I currently have a e8400 3ghz dual core, so really in essecne I just need to slap a q9550 in my machine for 250 bucks and I think i'm good to go for the time being, that should give me a huge upgrade for not alot of money. The new proc's really aren't that much faster than that, and I can keep the old ram, board and everything around. However My 8800GTS aparently is pretty far behind so maybe that down the line, but I think my proc is going to give me the most benefit for the money for this game. |
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"I think I am going to play the match using my balls to control my keyboard. Maybe it will at least give you a chance to kill me. " -Unidus
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«ÐoлTurismon [Administrator]
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| 10 Feb 2010 04:48 PM |
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Oh yeah, not to mentino I can still resale this e8400 for 130 bucks, so might as well make the most of it while I can. Get a chip that is pretty fucking smoking for roughly 100 bucks, that I can take from 2.83ghz to 3.4ghz on air easy, and If I get a E0 model supposedly can do 4ghz on air for OC. But I would probably only do a 3.4ghz cause I don't have super ram in here I don't think. I can't remember. |
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"I think I am going to play the match using my balls to control my keyboard. Maybe it will at least give you a chance to kill me. " -Unidus
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«ÐoлUnidus [Administrator]
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| 10 Feb 2010 10:22 PM |
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You nubs are jumping the gun on upgrading. Unless you average 20fps just wait till release. You remeber how Frontlines was in beta then the final patch that was the RC was twice as fast. |
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«ÐoлTurismon [Administrator]
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| 10 Feb 2010 10:27 PM |
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They didn't fix frontlines to run that much faster. It got better buy not that much. Well see. I am waiting but still if I need it I'm going that route. |
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"I think I am going to play the match using my balls to control my keyboard. Maybe it will at least give you a chance to kill me. " -Unidus
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«ÐoлSlick [Moderator]
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| 11 Feb 2010 12:50 PM |
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this will get faster, but there's a few things i've learned from lurking in many many forums on people posting their pc specs, and fps, etc. first off, this version of the beta only has MEDIUM settings, all of the HIG shit they didn't include, there'no diff between med and high in this beta apparently. so the final version if you wanna run high, will crush your box even more. although should be more optimized, probably a wash... secondly, the well clocked dualie should be fine uni, i have a quad, and trust me, everyone who says that they "blow away the dualies" are full of shit, watch the core cpu load, and it's not a big deal. i wouldn't bother upgrading to anything other than nehalem, the era of the core2 architecture is gone now, they stopped making new chips, that socket is long dead, and trust me, the new ones are incredibly faster, don't worry about clock speeds. think about having the PCI-E bus on the CPU, along with the RAM controller, it was invented for hardcore gamers. imo, save your monies for a real upgrade, then you can sell your old mobo, mem and cpu as a package. won't cost too much more than just a q9550 or whatever, and it'll be worth it. i just heard that they shipped it today, it should be here tomarrow, i'll feel bad for my girlfriend if it arrives before the weekend starts, cause she's about to have a lame ass fucking valentines day. |
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«ÐoлUnidus [Administrator]
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| 11 Feb 2010 01:42 PM |
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Yeah I think mine were at like 75% load on low so it wasnt even max load I need to turn it to high to check it. |
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«ÐoлTurismon [Administrator]
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| 11 Feb 2010 02:12 PM |
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Your wrong slick, go look at benchmarks, a q9550 isn't much slower 10%-15% ish from the top shit, all that fbs ram timings bla bla bla, is marketing ass bullshit that makes miniscule differences. Everything goes up be 5% per gen it takes awhie to really make huge on a difference. This game is all CPU right now period. All the people i've seen that have decent framerates are quad cores. Mine isn't that bad really but I bet with a quad it would be faster but not night and day faster. The reason you think that dual core is so good because 95% of the games out there only use 2 cores and thats true, but games that actually are using the quad will smoke the dual core cpu's. |
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"I think I am going to play the match using my balls to control my keyboard. Maybe it will at least give you a chance to kill me. " -Unidus
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«ÐoлSlick [Moderator]
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| 11 Feb 2010 04:55 PM |
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i hear what your'e sayin turis, i guess when i go over my history for the last week i can post some stuff in this thread. i've been looking at benchmarks out the wazoo lately, like it's sad, i need help. it's all i do, i haven't played a game in 4 days, i spendd 7-8 hours a day looking at tech specs. not saying that i know anymore than anyone else, but from what i've read, some people get gimped with dual cores on this game, some people rock with them (when they're oc'd it seems).
here's some data of someone running the bad company 2 on a dual core e8000 series cpu OC'd to 3.4 i think. note that it isn't even fully taxing both cores:
http://www.pcgameshardware.com/screenshots/original/2010/01/185488d1264712648-sammelthread-battlefield-bad-company-2-bc2-beta.jpg
^^ copy link and paste to new window, it's being gay
imo, it's not worth it to upgrade to an almost obsolete technology. i don't know about a %5 per gen law, but what i'm seeing is 45-50% frame boost from my stock q6600 to a stock i5 750. both similar clock speeds. (also the 750 is cheaper than the q9550 that you're talking about, almost $100 cheaper) not %5. of course this is all with current-gen graphic hardware. the big thing is that current graphic cards are insanely throttled by older cpus. even core2quads. trust me, i have exactly that. i have an ati 5870, and a q6600 quad right lightly OC'd, i get the same frames per second at the lowest settings as the highest settings. i know that that sounds crazy, but it's true. i get the same FPS at 640x480 at all low, as with 1920x1200 at all high (medium for beta). the graphic card isn't even being challenged yet. all cause the cpu doesn't have the power to keep it fed. it's da 2th yo
...cause you don't gotta take my word for it, read any review on the internet, the i7 and i5 series is the biggest technological step forward in performance since the introduction of the pentium. (how's that for marketing speak?) don't dismiss it though, i'm a diehard AMD fan, but i've been following the development of these new intel chips on paper since they were announced in 2005. now that they're out, the amount of kickass per clock cycle is significantly more. i'd think of upgrading from a dualie to a quad of the same tech to be more like a 5-10% boost if you're lucky. |
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«ÐoлSlick [Moderator]
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| 11 Feb 2010 05:07 PM |
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i have a q6600 by the way, i was planning on buildin my girl a box with it with my old parts, but if yours is socket 775 too, then maybe we can work something out. i could take your dualie if you're set on this upgrade, but imo it's not worth $250 |
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«ÐoлTurismon [Administrator]
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| 11 Feb 2010 05:34 PM |
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That's where you are wrong, a q9550 torches a q6600, and it is totally worth the performance vs buying a who i5 750 rig. My rig if I had the same graphics card would rival yours within 10% I guarnetee it. Show me 50% I hardly beleive that. 50% you would only get on anything that uses full 4 cores off the top of my head things like encoding and 3dsmax rendering etc will get 50% over a dual but no way in hell an i7 is 50% faster than a q9550. I just checked it's no more than 15%ish. The biggest changes in that i7 are less power more efficient, it's not THAT much faster. Then on top of a q9550 benchmarks you can overclock the bitch quite a bit. Find some benchmarks, cause I'm about to go link you some stuff, all the graphics cards in the world won't make a processor make that much a difference. You take the same systems with the same graphics cards and compare cpu's and your not going to see that much difference between a q9550 and a i7 basic (i'm not talking about extreme editions, those fuckers don't count in our comparrisons, cause those are rediclous price and not even allow in this debat) I'm talking obtainable i7's for normal people, not physco epeeners  . |
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«ÐoлTurismon [Administrator]
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| 11 Feb 2010 05:37 PM |
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we are talking specifically game benchmarks here, not how fast you can encode an mp3 either, could care less about that. this is what this can do for me, the fps gamer. the performance gain by spending 600 dollars or more vs just plopping down 100 dollars (cause i can sell my dual) is just not worth it for 15% if that. |
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"I think I am going to play the match using my balls to control my keyboard. Maybe it will at least give you a chance to kill me. " -Unidus
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«ÐoлTurismon [Administrator]
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| 11 Feb 2010 06:03 PM |
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here ya go, this article basically says it all. http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc...i=3506&p=4 don't forget, this 9550 is the newest 775 gen proc, 1333 fsb and 12MB cache on the thing. it's a beast man. You can't beat the performance for 100 bucks. It's not worth building out a whole system to me for bearly any difference. And If I do want difference I would have to get a seriously SLI rig and maybe even more than a i5 750 to even beat the q9550 with SLI. |
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"I think I am going to play the match using my balls to control my keyboard. Maybe it will at least give you a chance to kill me. " -Unidus
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«ÐoлTurismon [Administrator]
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| 11 Feb 2010 06:08 PM |
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P.S. 5-10% difference. If that and sometimes less on some games and thats with the i7(althou lower i7's) . |
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"I think I am going to play the match using my balls to control my keyboard. Maybe it will at least give you a chance to kill me. " -Unidus
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«ÐoлSlick [Moderator]
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| 11 Feb 2010 10:39 PM |
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http://www.hardforum.com/showthread...2067
alright, you got a point, i was always looking towards the q6600 as my baseline for core2quad comparisons as that's what i have, and it is about a %50 boost from what i got.
also, things like crysis aren't really multicore, they said that quads work better, but that's mostly BS, it was a intel cashgrab at the time.
it's looking like BC2 PROBABLY likes at least 3 cores, but i've definately seen people with dualies with either 10fps, or actually getting 50 like everyone else.
well, for $100 seems like a good upgrade, i'm with your bro though, i wouldn't ever suggest SLI, better to get some cash for the old one, and get a better singlecard.
i wonder how the 8800's will handle the actual release, forcing DX9 seems to work well from what i've read. i'll have a second box with an 8800 and my old q6600, so i might get another copy of the game, so that i can run a mini cafe. |
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«ÐoлTurismon [Administrator]
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| 12 Feb 2010 10:08 AM |
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Those people with dualies probably got beef vid cards to go with their rigs, not 8800's  like I do. Mine doesn't really run that bad, just in wide open area with lots of intense shit going on I'll dip to the 20's. I don't like that I want to keep up above 30's. Yeah the dualies are better in most cases for most games. But games that are insanley cpu intensive like aparently bc2 is the quad will help. Reason dualies were better than quads back then is because of the clock speeds and no support for more than 2 cores. Anyway seems we are on the same page now  . |
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"I think I am going to play the match using my balls to control my keyboard. Maybe it will at least give you a chance to kill me. " -Unidus
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«ÐoлTurismon [Administrator]
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| 12 Feb 2010 08:20 PM |
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Well I went to fry's just to "look" and they had q9550's for 270 which is like 11 dollars more than new egg and I didn't have to wait on it, so I bought one lol. Gonna hopefully put it in here in a little bit, I'll let ya'll know if it makes much a difference. The good news, it's a E0 stepping  . So I should be able to get 3.4ghz out of this bitch on the stock cooler at least. |
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«ÐoлEriksson [Moderator]
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| 13 Feb 2010 12:05 PM |
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EDIT: Reading back through the posts I see it was just a CPU upgrade. |
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«ÐoлTurismon [Administrator]
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| 13 Feb 2010 12:11 PM |
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well the results are in, I went from a e8400 to a q9550 overclocked to 3.2ghz for now and I went from 50ish fps highend dropping into 20's in heavy action to 120fps max to dropping to maybe 50's as a low. This chip definatley made a huge difference in overall performance of everything. So definatley worth the 150 dollar upgrade price after selling my e8400 :p. |
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"I think I am going to play the match using my balls to control my keyboard. Maybe it will at least give you a chance to kill me. " -Unidus
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«ÐoлEriksson [Moderator]
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| 13 Feb 2010 12:32 PM |
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Turis, I have a geForce 9800 GX2, its a half decent card for something thats 2 years old now. as well I have a Q6600 overclocked to 3.2Ghz. If I picked up a q9550, what sort of increase in performance could i expect? Keep in mind I have 4 Gigs of PC2-6400 (2X2GB) DDR2-800, which I think is starting to be pretty dated? |
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