Great read, makes a lot of sense.

I'm still torn on what headset to pick up.

http://www.cybergamer.com.au/forums...d-do-nots/

This person has made some very valid points, and it has been exactly what Slick has been saying to us for months and months. What it comes down to is this really, this guy does not recommend anything that is 5.1 or 7.1 and that's completely ridiculous and here is why:
It really depends what you are using it for, slick himself bought the psyko's and that is because they offered amazing directional audio for 5.1 which makes them awesome gaming headphones, but he says they are awful for listening to music and stuff like that. if the main thing you do on your computer is listen to music then by all means buy those senheisser's that are 2.1 as they will offer you amazing sound quality but probably not anywhere even close to the directional audio that you can get from lets say my razer megalodon or the Zalman's he was talking about ( which I have used) also the Medusa ( also had them).

To say not to buy them is a bad thing because it depends what you do with them. Ideally if you have a lot of money you should have 2 sets one for music/video whatever. and then another set that is great for gaming. Until you start buying like a 1k headset with awesome speakers and frequency response that is what it is.

I hope that this info I have said is factual and correct Slick probably would be able to tell you better but this is what I have gathered through research.

End of the line I usually am gaming 90% of the time I'm on the computer so I think that I will probably buy the Razer Tiamat 7.1. I like Razer products regardless of what others say about them because I have gotten a good experience with them. I think that is what it really comes down to.

I will say after using the Razer black widow keyboard and their gaming mouse pad now for a few weeks, I like the quality of their products.

I still want to get a 5.1/7.1 sound gaming headset. But I can't really find one that meets all my needs.

- Good directional 5.1/7.1 sound
- Solid construction
- Not too heavy
- High Quality Sound
- Not too heavy
- doesn't require drivers or software
- wired
- built in Mic that swivels
- not fluorescent or other loud colors

all i'll say is that for you to be thinking "unless i spend $1000, then i'll be able to hear audiophile freqency range etc." is just horseshit. first of all, "audiophile shit" usually starts in the tens of thousands of dollars range. secondly. and most importantly.

get the headset for what you wanna use it for.

but if the 5.1 emulation isn't really that good, for the SAME PRICE you can get a pair of real cans that will sound ten times better.

even if there are 5 or 7 little drivers in each earcup, this is still surround emulation. (not only because the physical distances for the sound to travel is a couple centimeters difference from each other)

this is because is a real 5.1 setup the sounds from the left front speaker, will STILL hit your right ear too. this is part of psychoacoustics.

ever notice how in some game menus, there's the "stereo" option (speaker system) and then the "headphone" option? that's cause headphones aren't even stereo. they're dual mono. cause they don't share sounds between each ear like in real life. it's emulated stereo. and 5.1 headsets are even MORESO emulated 5.1

also worth noting... when you have more then 3 sounds going on at once in a surround headset, you REALLY lose the illusion of accurate sound placement. everything just muddies together and you just have a big wall of sound, just like with normal headsets. like try playing battlefield rush, it's just a mess, can't hear anything directionally, it was a joke. but once i was waaaay behind enemy lines, and there was no firefighting going on, i could hear everything.

just a heads up.

buy whatever the hell you have your heart set on. i'd just reccomend a solid pair of 2 channel headphones than splitting that cost up into 7 little mini speakers, that are all expected to work perfectly together. that's REALLY hard to do btw. you can introduce all sorts of sub-harmonics when your sound waves are out of phase with each other. and no offense, but i don't anticipate they did a whole lot of R and D on this tiamat headset. it can take 10 years to get that system sounding proper. i bet they just threw those speakers in the headshell, and said HERE YOU GO, 7.1

maybe i'm wrong, i'm sure one of you will buy it and it'll be the best thing ever, just don't go trying out other headsets after that, or you might be a sad panda. =p

Slick can you post a full review of your Psycho headphones?

the surround sound is the best of any headset, cause it's not emulated, your left ear still hears what's coming out of the right front/rear speakers.

the quality has gotten better after they've broken in, i'm happy with them for now, but there's "holes" in the frequency range as a result of the natural harmonic resonance created by the sound moving through the pipes.

i don't know if i'd reccomend them, unless you just want great directional sound. for games they're pretty great. playing fear3 with all of the weird creepy sounds coming from all around you is pretty boss.

pretty sure though a 2 speaker setup liike the g35 with 3d processing in software would be nearly as good, and the sound quality overall alot better.

another cool 7.1 headset
http://www.corsair.com/vengeance-15...adset.html
Usually corsair stuff is pretty High quality so I wonder how these hold up

http://www.corsair.com/vengeance-13...adset.html
also these ones are analog but i think they are 2.1

just go to your local music shop with an mp3 player, and listen to different sets of headphones until you hear something you like. there's no way to tell other than that. if you rely on reviews only you're gambling.

Posted By «ÐoлMongolin on 18 Sep 2011 11:54 PM
another cool 7.1 headset
http://www.corsair.com/vengeance-15...adset.html
Usually corsair stuff is pretty High quality so I wonder how these hold up

I think you found a winner!

i like the 2-driver set you just linked, at least i like the look. as for the surround 7.1 one... for $20 more you subdivide 2 speakers into god knows how many smaller shittier ones? if those were all *quality drivers, the set *should cost about $500. but it's not, so you'll probably get what you pay for.

at the end of the day, you can gloss over spec sheets, this and that, and you can guess about what a set of cans sounds like. or you can trust some asshole on the internet's review, cause you know, sound isn't at all a subjective experience.

it's not so much pissing in the wind.... as:

ejaculating through a circus cannon into a hurricane

does that paint a picture?

just find a place where you can TRY the headphones, not many places do, due to hygenic reasons. but some should have demo models.

if not, i recommend you buy from a retailer (e-tailer) that will give you 30 days to refund your purchase if you don't like them.

anything less that this, is just a gamble.

$199 on poppa's mustard in the third!

Tip of the day. If you think a overpriced or surround 5.1/7.1 headset is going to improve your scores then you just wasted your money. The most essential thing you need is good eyes and decision making. Also unless there are 5 or 7 seperate speakers in each ear then don't bother buying a 5.1 or 7.1 . It's all emulated and I can do it with my 20$ 2.1 headset and onboard audio.

http://www.amazon.com/Plantronics-G...amp;sr=8-1

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B002DS4HTM

Those are my recommendations of good headsets which are also cheap and you can smash them if you want to. Those Corsair seem nice to.

Also if you insist Mongo on only getting Razer then get these and save the $60 http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...d_i=507846

You won't be able to tell them apart from the Megaladons which are $140. Im not sure how good the Tiamats are going to be but im guessing no better than the other shit zalmans and other 5 and 7 speaker ones. Unless they cost 250$ + then don't but into the gimic.

One more thing I will show you a example of why Mongo.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...ecom%20777
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...ecom%20367
Same fucking headset with a added on USB"Surround Sound" card. The same thing with the Razer headsets.

Just saw the Razer Tiamat 7.1 will cost $180. Sounds like a big waste of fucking money to me. Buy the Carcharias.

How would you know slap, you never used any of these. My Triton AX Pro's give huge 3d surround sound and do help you with hearing people come around you with footsteps and shit. it's probably only going to help you 10% of your playing, but saying it doesn' thelp at all isn't exactly a legit statement.

I'm not trying to get an advantage with directional sound headphones.
I'm trying to maintain the same edge with headphones on as with my 5.1 speaker setup for late night gaming.

Well I have Triton AX Pro's and they are pretty bad ass and I think the price may have come down a tad. My complaint about them thou, is there size is bulky, but not heavy, and tons of cables. I have tried turtle beach 5.1's and they are shit.

I think I'm strongly considering the corsair vengeance 1500.

Yeah same. Just need to wait a month.

sound dynamics do affect gameplay. it's not one of those things that's easily tangible, but for me proper sound makes or breaks a movie. it just helps with my suspension of disbelief, if you know what i mean. I find myself less likely to run around leroy jenkins when i can hear all the shit happening around me clearly, cause it *feels* real. in the same way when you wear a nice suit, you act slightly different. it's almost subconscious.

when you can hear someone sneaking up beside you, it's improving your potential performance, weather it improves your KDR at all is always just up to you. but proper 5.1 is like having an infantry sonar beacon from 2142 on your head at all times.

but unidus is partially right, in that there are some instances when 5.1 isn't worth jack shit. basically when there's many sounds going off all at once and it all just blends into a wall of sound.

Posted By Nick Adelson on 19 Sep 2011 09:17 PM
but unidus is partially right, in that there are some instances when 5.1 isn't worth jack shit. basically when there's many sounds going off all at once and it all just blends into a wall of sound.

This. Unless you are playing counterstrike or low population CoD then having 5.1 makes it worse in my opinion. On Battlefield games where you are constantly getting sounds and explosions it sounds like pure shit on any type of 5.1/7.1 headphones. Only use surround for games if you have 5.1 speakers in your room surrounding you.

And yes I do you slapfaggot I click a checkbox in my sound mixer and I have the same surround sound as those piece of shit so called surround sound headsets. Like I posted above with the 2 gamecoms thats all they do for most of the 2.1 surround sound headsets.  Ive used your tritons and they are nice but not much different than these $20 ones I have with proper sound settings. You remeber the logitech ones you bought and took back. Thats what mine sound like when I click CMS3D and set my speakers settings from headphones to 5.1. It sounded nice when in a quiet area I could hear sounds more directional but as soon as I got into the heavy fighting I couldn't tell where the hell anything was.